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privacy laws and we need to update those laws. the last time the electronics communications privacy act was updated was in 1986 and a lot has changed since then. >> host: grover norquist what kind of access to law enforcement officials in the government have to our e-mails today? >> guest: right now it's not treated as if it's regular mail, snail mail. they can go into it as a third-party and put it up on the cloud. what we need to do is update the law to go alongside the changes in technologies that are sending each other letters. we send each other e-mails instead of keeping europe letter in your pocket you may stored in the cloud somewhere and that's should have the same privacy that you regular snail mail does in the post office delivering something and if we can do that. we have updated this from time to time, the technology changes. the technology has been changing quicker but to send someone an e-mail is like sending them a letter. it's the same thing. the fourth amendment is still there. >> host: also joining our roundtable today is -- of the hill newspaper. >> my first question
the person is. there is no positive i.d. we expect more details at a briefing from law enforcement in an hour and will bring that live. we've learned the identity of the third victim killed in the attack, lindsay liu. the school confirmed her identity earlier this afternoon. 8-year-old martin richard and 29-year-old krystle campbell were also killed in the horrible bombings. 178 people were injured and at least 100 have been released from area hospitals. i'm joined by john king and cnn analyst. juliet, start with you. you are a former homeland security official. what are you hearing on the latest of the developments especially when it comes to this individual who was spotted on videotape? >> essentially what you said, you know, that the idea they would have a name that soon seemed way too quick for someone in custody unless he was well known to law enforcement already or was under surveillance. right now this is exactly how you would expect an investigation to unfold. there will now be -- trying to figure out what his name is but, jake, the key is what are they going to say at 5:00? we should
of this unfold. but let's bring in our law enforcement analyst here with us in boston. julia, come on over here. >> all right. >> let's talk first of all about john king's reporting substantial progress in the criminal investigation here in boston, significant development. we don't know what that progress is. but you know what, john is joining us on the phone right now. so let's talk to john. john, go ahead and tell us what you can. >> wolf, i'm on my way to you now. i want to report some breaking news information from two sources. one is a boston law enforcement source who tells me they believe they do have a significant breakthrough in the investigation. this source is calling this substantial progress. that source declined to be more specific but said to anticipate more details later today. now, i want to give you some information -- initial information important from a second source who has been briefed on the investigation. and i am told by sources that both governor deval patrick and mayor mannino and after the boston commissioner after one of the briefings this morning went to talk to th
to the hospital. that is straight off cbs. we ask average american to assist law enforcement in identifying who the bomber was. see something, say some. now we have someone who was being deported due to national security concerns, who was at the scene, he can possibly i.d. everybody, we're asking that in boston, and we had this g there, and he was detailed in the hospital, covered with blood, and that we will deport him. ofif i might, i am unaware anyone who is being deported for national security concerns at all related to boston. i do not know where -- eli >> he is being deported. >> like i said, i do not even think he was technically a person of interest or a suspect. that was a wash, and i am not aware of any proceeding there. i will clarify that, but i think this is an example of why it is so impnt leaw endo its j >> that is why i say we wouldn't you agree that it is negligent for as the administration to deport someone who was at the scene of the bombing, and we are on to deport him, not being able to question him any more? >> i am not going to answer that question. it is so full of the s
on accountable government to enforce the rule of law. there are two problems that grow on government like mold on otherwise probably good bread -- corruption and inefficiency. it is important -- government corruption and inefficiency are what stands today between the american people and the economy and society that they deserve. to combat those pathologies, a new conservativism should center around three principles -- equality, diversity, and sustainability. let me explain. the first and most important of these couples is equality. the only way for the free market and civil society to function is to align the interests of a strong and those of the week, to have everyone play by the same set of rules. define this principle as how our government has always corrected itself. in the past the problem was political discrimination helped the disconnected down. today the specialty is dispensing political privileges to prop the well-connected up. in either case, the corruption is the same, official inequality, twisting the law to make some people more equal than others, making it harder for some to su
:00 on the east coast. residents have flooded into the streets to applaud, to say thank you to law enforcement. to the massive law enforcement presence in watertown, massachusetts. the end of a 28-hour lock down, essentially in the city of massachusetts. nobody knew for sure it was going to end this way, but they got him. boston police say they have taken their suspect into custody alive. they brought in an ambulance to transport him. he suffered a gunshot wound and lost blood. it was unclear how weakened he was. this followed the shootout last night. blocks from the neighborhood from the suspect's older brother was killed in a fire fight with police. this suspect taken into custody alive. remarkable ending, including the live shots right now. remarkable, including the reaction of people of greater boston and watertown specifically. remarkable ending to what has been an almost unbelievably tense week-long ordeal in boston and day-long ordeal involving the lock down. almost complete lock down of one of the largest cities in the united states. >> joining us live on the ground in watertown, massa
, you're very close to that car and everything that's taking place. have you heard anything from law enforcement to you and other residents in the area about evacuating and staying toward the front of the building? >> yeah, we had. what seemed to be army personnel and knocked on our door, told us to lock up the doors, go to the back of the house and don't come out and stay low. >> is that where you are? you seem close to the activity. >> right now, we -- i'm with a few of my roommates here, and we're in the living room. kind of watching what's being televised so i can stay on skype with you. >> and you posted photos on twitter and you said your twitter handle is akitz. and you said you just posted a photo of the bomb robot. and earlier this evening, you posted some photos of bullet holes in your home. we're going to put those up. can you describe what was taking place at that time? >> yes, so, we actually -- my roommates and i didn't even notice the bullet holes until at least an hour and a half later. and then we saw the significant hole through the westward wall in our house. and w
multiple times and killed. then, an outbust in watertown, two suspects engaged in a firefight with law enforcements. witnesses reported hearing at least three blast. one eyewitness we spoke to said that he saw the suspects tossing what appeared to be hand grenaded and a pressure cooker bomb at law enforcement officials. i want to bring now in nbc's justice correspondent pete williams live in washington now. >> reporter: well a couple of things. number one, we have heard that one police officer was killed earlier tonight. and now, we hear there may have been a second police officer killed. we have one report about that. as for the two people who were arrested tonight -- or the two, let's use the suspects related to this incident here, we know that one is in custody, and we believe now that we have had at least one report that the other, authorities up there, may be dead. i think they're trying to confirm that now. they don't know for sure. and that's one of the reasons you earlier saw that report that they wanted people to stay in their homes and lock their doors. another possibility is
the doors locked and not open the door unless there is a uniform identified law enforcement officer on the other side of it. >> part of that process included controlled explosions. police say it was done merely out an abundance of caution. authorities hoping for some evidence as to dzhokhar's whereabouts. nbc news national investigative correspondent michael issakof is on the ground. >> we've been promised a briefing for several hours now that was going to give us an update on where things stood. clearly, it's a fluid situation. the last one we got just about an hour and a half ago was there have been some new leads authorities were pursuing. what that meant we do not know. clearly they do not have tsarnaev in custody right now. they still have very deep concerns about the threat he poses and the threat that others -- that an accomplice or accomplices may pose. and the most significant threat of all is the fact there might be ieds out there like the one found this morning that have been -- that have left on the streets of boston. making it very difficult, even if they get tsarnaev,
that just passed here. this was a key area, an area where a lot of law enforcement was gathering. we saw a truck. there were armed personnel on it. we saw bomb sniffing dogs from the fbi. really, the impression was they were searching for an ied. something you would see in a theater of war, in a combat zone, not here in the streets of boston. you still have a lot of personnel. some have slowly been pulling back. again, it's a very active scene that's going on right now. we don't know the status. we don't know where this individual is, whether he's close. whether he's in custody. but by creating a huge perimeter around this particular area, what they do hope to do is either flush him out, or at least tighten the noose. and so that's what they're trying to do. they are going door-to-door. they are canvassing different homes, they are trying to do a sweep. remember, these people, even though they were on the run, they hijacked -- they basically harnlg acked an individual and then they fled and they were still throwing out bombs we're told either bombs or grenades or some sort of pipe bomb.
right now has been a nightmare for federal and local law enforcement. the leaks that came out today should be an embarrassment. i'm certain that they are. there may be a couple of meetings going on with the chief of police in boston whose department tweeted out information about an arrest today which was completely erroneous. this has been embarrassing for law enforcement at the wrong time. >> so it wasn't the a.p., it was the tweet and the a.p. picked up the tweet? >> yes, the police department apparently tweeted out some information about an arrest. >> bob, talk to me about that and the fact that they still have made considerable progress, have they not, since the terror attack occurred. a lot of people didn't think that they would have a person of interest either in custody or even an image of that person by this point. >> well, since 9/11, the department of homeland security and law enforcement at large has really taken some really tremendous strides and using technology to be able to assist law enforcement, the cameras, surveillance cameras, all those things become part of this
quickly walk away from it, what is not normal. that we only have so many law enforcement people. we have a guy in times where the waterway and there may be a normal explanation for it. i get on the metra system and by putting my earphones and a listen to my music or whatever when that is probably not a very smart thing, particularly for a guy like me to do. but it is just being aware -- you know, it is so easy. when i went to vietnam ever went said, stay alert, stay alive. i think people will be a little bit more alert right now, but just look for things that are out of place. is an author.t is ned zsa,ler republican. 'd think throrism comes at all different forms and different faces, not just literally, but metaphorically, too. you cannot say that it is not political or that it is. it is hard to label active terrorism -- acts of terrorism sometimes providing it is up to with identifying terrorism. we sometimes let our guard down and i feel like we do not know when the time is to act. when something should be under suspicion. we wait for something to happen. tough one. is a you are
with police. law enforcement fills say that both are from the russian region near chechnya and have been living in the united states with family members for about a decade. their estranged uncle spoke if maryland a short time ago. >> jihad, turn yourself in. and act forgiveness. if the injured, and those who left, ask forgiveness from these people. if we're ashamed, people are ashame on the family, our family, you put shame on 9 entire chechen. >> across boston, an unprecedented situation. the entire city and metropolitan area, all surrounding suburbs effectively shut down. all mass transit suspended. no a no-fly zone in effect. people have been told to stay inside their homes. >> keep the doors locked, do not open the door unless there is a uniformed, identified law enforcement officer on other side of it, requesting to come inside. >> there have been victims, police say that the bombing suspect shot and killed, 26-year-old sean collier. an m.i.t. patrol officer around 10:30 on campus last night. a short time later, they reportedly carjacked a mercedes suv in cambridge. that led to a po
a suspicious substance in it, we are told, wolf, by a law enforcement source that there are similarities to the letter sent to senator wicker. what exactly does that mean i've asked my sources, so far, wolf, inconclusive at this point. we do know there were some marks, i guess you could say identifying marks in the wicker letter, a postmark from memphis, tennessee. there was no return sender. we don't know if that nor the message included in the letter to senator wicker if that bears the similarity, but we are being told that there are similarities. so it certainly makes you wonder if it could have been sent from the same person or if they think -- if authorities think it is. we're certainly digging on that at this point. you can see in the lower corner of the screen, we're waiting the white house screening. it was scheduled for 11:45 a.m. it's not that unusual for it to run a little later than what it is now. so we do know of course the white house press secretary jay carney will be receiving a lot of questions about these developments. but at this point it's also very much an issue, wo
locomotives. about half a billion dollars to be spent on these new locomotives. in that section of law, one sentence was added that said these must be 100% american made. no one was making locomotives in america before that. but siemens, the german corporation, one of the biggest manufacturers in the world said, oh, half a billion dollar well, can make locomotives in america, sure. in sacramento, california, they opened a manufacturing plant, probably somewhere between 200 and 300 people working there today manufacturing 100% american made locomotives and on may 134, three years after they began this process, the first 100% american made locomotive in probably more than a century rolled onto the tracks of america. we can do this. h.r. 549 will provide that opportunity, using american-taxpayer money. i have another bill that does the same for wind and solar projects. we can do these things and put our mind to it and get past this business of austerity. we cannot solve this problem of american jobs with an austerity budget. we see it failing here in europe and united states as the long-term u
? >> we're told fran townsend has a federal source, i have a boston law enforcement source saying an arrest has been made. that is a dramatic breakthrough. waiting for more information. i was told earlier this morning an operation was under way after they had clearly identified a suspect. the breakthrough came, remember, just last night, we were talking about how much progress they made in the how and exactly when. but they hadn't gotten to the who. i'm told based on a video camera at lord & taylor department store a few blocks from here, based on a video camera from that store fixed on the location from the second bombing, across the street from the second bombing, they got what they were looking for. video analysis showing a male showing up and placing the black bag with the explosive device in it, and because of the video enhancement technology, mostly dprept sto from the department store, they clearly identified a suspect, a single suspect and an arrest has been made. a briefing scheduled for later this evening, obviously. >> so let's reset chronologically. do we know what poi
with our government's top national security priority, which is the lawful effective and humane interrogation of this subject for the purposes of gathering intelligence. the boston attacks were clearly inspired by the violent ideology of transnationallist islamist terrorism. so we need to learn everything we can about what foreign terrorists or terrorist groups the suspect and his brother might have associated with, whether they were part of additional plots to attack our nation, and what other relevant information the suspect may possess that could prevent future attacks against the united states or our interests. i think we need to delve further into this whole issue of the education that some people who are motivated by these base ideologies obtain over the internet and the effect that it's having. we should at least know about that. our civilian justice system offers a responsible option for striking this balance with american citizens. it allows the justice department to delay reading a suspect his miranda rights if doing so is in the interest of -- quote -- "public safety.
this would issue a statement but that will not happen. they have learned from a federal law enforcement source, at this hour officials are looking for two suspects in the deadly boston marathon terror attack. they are distributing photos of the men to the law enforcement community. however, they are not let releasing the images to the media. one is wearing a backpack and the other appears to have a bag of some kind. earlier today there were multiple reports authorities got this important piece of information from a department store surveillance video near the finish line of the marathon. we go live back to boston, our very own bill hemmer standing by. i understand it, bill, you have seen these photos? >> good evening to you. thanks to my colleague, rick, who you will speak to in a couple minutes on your program here. i have seen the picture and the images, and you can clearly see, you know, the faces of these two persons described in the report rick broke a few hours ago. but with regard to that, sean, you think about theence that wad and was postponed and later cancelled. you think abo
constitution all laws he united states of american against all enemies, foreign and domestic. and we pledged to perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required when i recited this pledge last week, i cannot imagine that work of national importance by civilians would be required here in boston so soon. but now, all of us need to take up this pledge. we all have service to perform and indeed, we are all move by the thousands of people who stepped forward in a moment of tragedy and confusion to serve. i want to salute everyone who ran toward the victims, despite risk to themselves. everyone who gave blood, everyone who volunteered shelter for stranded runners, i want to salute the members of law enforcement who are protecting us as we speak and to thank the people around the world who are sending messages of hope and solidarity. before us, all the civilian work of national and international interest, no one has to take a a formal oath. we know instinctively that we stise to the od act because of our common humanity. that is what makes us erans. one nation under god, a
to contrast that with a well known famous saying among lawyers that hard cases make bad law. in a case like this, with such extraordinary circumstances, around such an aberrant event, the best opportunities to pass meaningful legislation are not in the wake of these sort of crazy one off extraordinary events. what do you make of that? >> well, it is a real conundrum. on the one hand, holmes was right. you don't want extraordinary circumstances to create general law for average circumstances. but in another sense, this was not extraordinary. in fact, we've been living in something of a bubble. the fbi has done actually a fairly amazing job over the last decade of stopping many terrorist acts like when they occurred in other countries and europe and the middle east. and this was one that got through. but there are ways in which you could actually change laws to further enable the fbi. going back to michael isikoff's report. what if members of this mosque in boston had contacted law enforcement authorities under a new program and warned them that this fellow tsarnaev was looking a little errat
and it was a scene with, you know, scores of law enforcement, state, federal, you know, bomb teams, s.w.a.t., you name it, they were there. a big perimeter setup for a manhunt to find the second suspect. >> eric, thank you. willie, when you get a sense of the danger right now that faces watertown at this very moment after all that went down last night and the killing of an mit police officer, the car-jacking, the robbing, the bombs in the streets, the ied attached to this body, you get a sense of the suspect. you get a sense in terms of what law enforcement was able to piece together since the bombing in boston where you had pieces of pressure cookers and things that made you think they may be homemade devices and this may be home-grown and this made a little rudimentary, if i may, but now you find out from the work that they have done and all of the pictures and the video they have put together, you find out that they stood there to watch. they stood there to watch after the bombing. that says something. secondly you find out they have been in the united states as long as a year. may have milita
," we'll hear the latest from law enforcement officials in boston about the ongoing investigation into monday's bombing. we'll also talk to former senator joe lieberman about how security has changed in this country since 9/11. and former top advisor to president obama, david axelrod, about how the white house is handling this situation. >>> but we begin in boston where the back bay has been transformed into a crime scene sealed off for blocks and law enforcement try to determine who was behind monday's deadly attack at the boston marathon. of course this all began at about ten minutes to 3:00 on monday. about four hours into the race when an explosion went off just yards from the finish line. then about 15 seconds later a second explosion about 500 feet down the road. at least three people were killed in the blasts, one of them was 8-year-old martin richard whose father was in the race. his mother and sister suffered serious injuries. at least 126 people are still hospitalized. ten of them possibly as many as 17 in critical condition following the attack. >> there was cloud every
duval patrick. i assume he has been fully briefed on every step in this law enforcement investigation. >> the governor is getting briefings constantly from both the state police and boston police, the fbi. i know the mayor of boston was briefed this morning. i talked to the mayor after i had been told there was a breakthrough in the investigation and he wouldn't go that far but he did confirm it was the lord & taylor video. that his briefing from the boston police commissioner about what they called, other sources called a turning point. and he said they were making progress and he was hopeful that there would be a definitive breakthrough quite soon. that was where the mayor stopped. >> the governor will be here fairly soon. we'll talk to the governor as soon as he gets here. governor duval patrick. tom fuentes is the former fbi assistant director, a cnn analyst joining us right now. what are you hearing? you have good sources. what is the latest information you're getting ob the status, the state of this criminal investigation into these two bombings at the boston marathon that kille
not answer the door unless the people at the door can clearly identify themselves as law enforcement officials. this mayhem unfolded overnight starting with a shooting on the campus of the massachusetts institute of technology in cambridge. that's one mile from where we are standing right now at the scene of the boston marathon attack. >> an officer who was killed on the campus of m.i.t. was killed a short time later, a carjacking took place and a police chase took place after that with reports of explosives involved. during the chase, the transportation authority officer was wounded in a shoot-out and suspect number one was critically wounded and later died at the hospital. we expect a press conference in 15 minutes at the hospital. >> we have drew griffin with us right now on the streets of watertown, massachusetts. again, this is the area right now which is a very active crime scene where people are being told not to leave their houses where it is believed that suspect number two, the man involved in the boston marathon bombings and the man involved in this car chase and manhunt,
are now considering, will tend to improve or enhance your ability to enforce the laws? >> it is real difficult for us to say at this point because we are like everybody else. we are struggling to read through this monster and reference back and forth. you, iuite honest with know there are some improvements in here, but i have not seen a lot of them. i am confused by some of these things with regards to three misdemeanors and the standards, the crimes involving purple to did we have now. it should be a misdemeanor, one within five years. how does that make sense with these three misdemeanors? what are significant misdemeanors? this is not a legal term we are significant -- we are familiar with. it is something we struggle with already. this makes a lot more questions than i think it provides answers. it will take a lot of digging through this. i have seen some things with regard to getting affiliation. we areeral concept, about that. but a finer stand correctly, it says things like if the person says i am no longer a part of the gained comment -- again, they get to have this probation
to me in a seamless way they are trying to interviiw people but it is not the law enforcement authorities who catch people is somebody who's sees something and reports it. neil: there is a lot of cameras on every street corner. >> they will be lolooking at all the cameras, examining the exosive to find out what kind it was and where it might have come from. people interviewing people. if we find to it is my suspicion is because of the cameras and people. neil: what if it is home grown? >> that is always the big worry because we can stop people coming into the country. but if they are already here it is a great problem and i have done a report on that very subject with homegrown terrorists. it sounds like it might be in that category. we don't know anything gets but the terrorist from a terrorist network, somebody who has said genwich -- who has a grudge. there are a lot of violent people out there. neil: this patriot's day in massachusetts celebrates our independents, and our battles at lexington 1775. it could be conjecture is giving therefore the country then how together re
saw, david, that law enforcement is asking the public for help in the form of videos, photos, anything. do you have any sense of what kind of response they're getting? >> they're getting a great response. there are hundreds and thousands of pictures and videos that were taken. you know, the social media since 9/11 has expanded. everybody has phones and cameras now and so this is going to taken a enormous amount of work if they're trying to go through these. this could be very complicated. some people suggest it indicates that they don't have a lot of leads otherwise. but certainly that's one thing that they're looking for. >> brown: speaking of 9/11, i wonder just tell -- give us a sense of the mood there today and maybe you can compare it to what happened after 9/11. >> absolutely. i remember 9/12 and 9/12 was a day much like today: brilliant sky, warm. in 2001 on 9/11 boston was a crime scene that had no evidence, there were no victims here and so it had been robbed in that sense. today just the opposite. a terrible number of victims and a lot of devastation at that scene. >> brown:
's the new york times. in the new "new york times, a senior law-enforcement officials said they were looking the connection between pressure cookers, which is how the bombs were used, and al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. some reporting from the papers this morning. getting your reaction, day two of your reaction to the bombings in boston. we begin with charles, an independent caller. aller: i'm just calling about fox reporter in boston going around asking people about the situation that happened and what should they do to the people. and he tried to switch over like it was the president's fault, asking do you think the president has done enough? it is the same stuff with them. these people are grieving a loss and they are trying to say it's the president's fault. i don't understand fox news. are a bunch of haters. we are trying to bring the country together. i just don't get them. they gave busgh a pass, running this country into the ground. it is a shame how they act all the time. --t: on our facebook page facebook.com/c-span. william, republican caller from tennessee. caller: good mornin
, it seems to me in a seamless way they are trying to interviiw people but it is not the law enforcement authorities who catch people is somebody who's sees something and reports it. neil: there is a lot of cameras on every street corner. >> they will be looking at all the cameras, examining the explosive to find out what kind it was and where it might have come from. people interviewing people. if we find to it is my suspicion is because of the cameras and people. neil: what if it is home grown? >> that is always the big worry because we can stop people coming into the country. but if they are already here it is a great problem and i have done a report on that very subject with homegrown terrorists. it sounds like it might be in that category. we don't know anything gets but the terrorist from a terrorist network, somebody who has said greenwich -- who has a grudge. there are a lot of violent people out there. neil: this patriot's day in massachusetts celebrates our independents, and our battles at lexington 1775. it could be conjecture is giving therefore the country then how together
of appeals heard arguments in a lawsuit challenging california's law banning so- called conversion therapy, a psychotherapy technique aimed at helping gay teens become straight. backers of the law say conversion therapy is danger and that the state has the right to protect patients. but opponents of the law say it violates free speech right. >> it's unprecedented that california would pass a law that would interfere with patients and doctors and tell them not only what they can say on the subject matter but what viewpoint they can express. i think it's a very dangerous law. >> two lower courts ruled against the ban. one found the law unconstitutional but the other upheld the law. >>> there is new information coming out on a possible sabotage planned on the south bay. we'll tell you why officials say someone may have cut a fiberoptic line in order to shoot up a power station. >>> another breezy day. not as windy as yesterday. temperatures a little warmer. winds are dying further and we're going to see warmer day time highs as we get towards thursday. you kids should count yourselves lucky.
refrained from making any effort to apprehend the two men and instead to call law enforcement. with the review of social media post catherine has our report. >> determination it if it was an international domestic act of terrorism with the intelligence chief updated lawmakers on the case but we don't know if it was planned and executed by a terrorist organization foreign or domestic or an individual act. loan-loss and extremist mercer and the determined to attack. >> with key bomb components intact and investigations on going home and security said new leads are expected soon. >> there are tracers in the gunpowder, the pellets, the ball bearings can be traced to the manufacture and the device itself, the explosive device itself is the best evidence that we have. >> in addition to still images and video fox news is told there is the significance of social media footprint providing new these. 30,000 messages were collected within 1 mile radius of the finish line 24 hours before through a 24 hours after. they seemed out of place or coded including about to boston hotels or analyz
to cell phones? >> i think they didn't they would have to escape. when law enforcement figured out different pieces of this puzzle, they panicked and didn't have an alternative plan -- they were so focused on what they were doing, nothing else became important and obviously, it would have been. >> another photo of the suspect coming in right now, it shows him when he was on the wrestling team. i believe, we're going to put that up in just a second. it just came in. they got it up in the control room. we're not positive, if indeed this gray honda is occupieoccup. it could suggest as well, aps someone else was involved. >> well, maybe, george, but the idea of a stealing a car or carjacking someone else, is an act of desperation. you have seen him acting in a desperate way since basically the 7-eleven. >> yeah that's true. brad, thanks very much. >>> jon karl at the white house right now. we know we're getting more details about the president's briefing in the situation room. >> george, as you can imagine this has consumed the president, entire intelligence and national security teams
, and it should likely be a death penalty case under federal law. i believe that the federal confidence in doing this at this time is extraordinary. >> cenk: all right, beth what are your thoughts here? any reason to call him an enemy combatant, are you in favor or opposed to it. >> well, it's not my opinion it's the law. he's not an enemy combatant. he's captureed on american soil. it has to be shown that he was in control or in concert with an foreign enemy. in this case it didn't meet that standard, so the law took care of itself. >> cenk: that's true. they called jose pedea made up how he was a dirty bomber and then later when they were forced to go to trial they said, yeah, well, turns out he wasn't a dirty bomber, but he was doing other things not related to us, but still terror, and he's in jail now but isn't that the problem, kevin, when you trust people to the government to just label the people enemy combatant correctly, that's not again the american system. >> in that case he was actually in a military prison and was actually transferred to a miami federal prison. you're right jay car
, and it does appear according to nbc news sources in law enforcement, that there is some video of somebody placing a black bag or a dark bag at the site near the site of the explosions. we should caution that there may have been a lot of people placing bags on the ground, as they come to watch runners pass the finish line. that may not have been the bomb at all. but if you are an investigator trying to get to the bottom of this, that's someone opportunity to talk to. and what law enforcement sources are telling us is that there are a lot of people now that they want to talk to based on all of this evidence. but with everybody, world media here, law enforcement agencies from around the country, really lacking at this, there are a lot of -- there's a lot of information that's flying around and a lot o opportunipportuniti to conclusions. that appears to be what happened. nonetheless, they've made some tremendous strides. we can see that based on what we're looking at on the ground since the attacks on monday afternoon. guys? >> a great rundown, scott, of what we know and don't know at this po
failed to pass background checks. five democrats even voted against the new law. all of them from progun states why did the background checks fail. sane people stopped from buying guns. every sane person knows that checks will not keep guns out of the bad people. they will buy weapons illegally. if the president were really serious about protecting malcolm jenkins from gun violence he would federalize gun crimes and attach a criminal justice component to the gun check legislation. here is what mr. obama should do. registering firearms should be in this country. use the gun in the commission of a crime, 10 years. law abiding people with guns are not the problem. so let's give the police a big advantage. if the cops even find unregistered gun by a stop and frisk, something like that. it's a felony. that would take gun criminals off the streets fast obviously drastically cut gun violence. president obama's gun legislation is targeted, pardon the pun at law abiding people. not criminals. and that's the reason. he isn't getting anywhere. some stats to back my opinion up. 2011 the fbi reports
team of law enforcement folks who have done this the right way, by building from facts up to a theory rather than from a theory out. >> governor, the "boston globe" says it all had this morning for boston -- edging toward not normal, but there is still a lot of concern. based on what you know, has the threat passed? >> i think we think so. there are a lot of leads that law enforcement is still pursuing, the fbi and the atf, the state police and local police as well. there are a lot of questions that all of us have and that law enforcement have yet to answer for us including questions directly to the suspect, but there isn't any basis for concern about another imminent threat. >> let me ask you some particulars about the surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, who is now in the hospital. apparently he has a wound to the throat. did he try to commit suicide? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> do you know when doctors are saying he might actually be able to communicate? is there a real question about whether he'll be able to speak? >> i don't know those answers, david. i do know that h
donald and seema mody. lingering questions about the boston terror bombing. what law enforcement can do to stop future attacks. former attorney general alberto gonzalez is our next guest up on kudlow. oh, boy. [ groans ] ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ engine revs ] if you've got it, you know how hard it can be to breathe and man, you know how that feels. copd includes emphysema and chronic bronchitis. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my obstructed airways for a full 24 hours. you know, spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva handihaler tiotropium bromide inhalation powder does not replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms. tell your doctor if you have kidney problems, glaucoma, trouble urinating, or an enlarged prostate. these may worsen with spiriva. discuss all medicines you take, even eye drops. stop taking spiriva and seek immediate medical help if your breathing suddenly worsens, your throat or tongue swells, you get hives, vision changes or eye pain, or problems passing urine. other side effects include dry mouth and constipation. nothing c
and otherwise. as you know, law enforcement sources suggested at least two unexploded devices have been found. that's magic for investigators right now. notwithstanding forensic evidence, fingerprints, dna, hairs, fibers. they'll also see how the device was built. they'll be able to see what the components are. they'll be able to trace those components back. we're told that these are relatively unsophisticated low-order explosive devices. richard, that's something like if we think back to the olympic park bombing in 1996. >> right. >> those pipe bombs filled with black powder with shrapnel in or packed around them. that's the type of device. and realize in this case, where a bullet, let's say, for example, moves at about 1,000 feet a second. that low-order explosive, when it went off, it would still be pushing those bbs and ball bearings and other shrapnel at about. 000 foot a square second. so investigators are trying to gather all of that information up as well as looking at photographs, do interviews, surveillance cameras. they have a lot to do. but they have a lot to work with. >> so thos
explosive devices. found on or near the scene of the bombings today. law enforcement officials have not confirmed that there were other unexploded bombs for lack of a less specific but more politic term. as of tonight the official confirmation is that there were two devices. only two. those were the two that caused the massive explosions. to the extent that there were other devices today, isolated and treated in some way by law enforcement, those may have been devices that were investigated as suspect packages, as potential bombs and done away with by law enforcement in the sometimes explosive way they do that. there are no suspects as of this evening. no arrests have been made. the investigation is now being headed by the fbi in conjunction with other federal and state and local agencies. i want to bring in now a young man today who is an eyewitness to what happened today. jared walker. he was eating with co-workers from ibm at a restaurant a football field's length of way when he heard the first explosion. thanks for being here. you're 100 yards away. what was it like watching? >>
treated at five area hospitals. law enforcement official told msnbc news one of the two known fatalities was an 8-year-old child. police say no suspect is in custody but many people are being questioned. the u.s. attorney's office in massachusetts is working together with the fbi, the atf and other federal, state and law enforcement officials on the investigation. msnbc news is reporting that 460 national guardsmen have arrived on site as well. a white house official tells msnbc news that, quote, any event with multiple explosive devices as this appears to be is clearly an act of terror and will be approached as an act of terror. we'll talk more about what that means. early this evening, the president himself addressed the nation. >> we're continuing to monitor and respond to the situation as it unfolds. i directed the full resources of the federal government to help state and local authorities protect our people, increase security around the united states as necessary and investigate that. we still do not know who did this or why. and people shouldn't jump to conclusionings befos before
identify from the facial image who that person is, they would first distribute that image to law enforcement, federal, state, and local and say have you ever seen a picture of anybody that looks like this and see if it gets any hits. that would leak out at some point. it wouldn't be long before they would seek the public's help on who that person is. and then, you know, there's the further question of matching it together with the evidence and there's a wealth of evidence, as i said before, but there's a lot of really hard work that is going in to trying to first reconstruct the bomb and then also trying to piece together where the elements of this bomb were purchased. i'll give you one example, i spoke this afternoon with a company that made that battery pack found among the debris. it was a battery pack that's commonly used to power toy cars and trucks and it's sold in toy stores and in hobby stores. tens of thousands, the company told me, have been sold in just the past year. that's a lot of sales. and it's going to be very difficult to take that battery pack, which they've re
. if you could stand by, we're going to go to watertown right now and just updating. these law enforcement officials say the activity overnight they have been dealing with, including the killing of one of the two suspects in the boston marathon bombing, they are directly related to the bombing. the two suspects have military experience and appear to have been in the u.s. for as long as a year, officials tell nbc news. and may have international ties. with that information, joining us now from watertown, massachusetts, is michael isikoff, who's there on the scene. michael, what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, these are two cold-blooded terrorists, in the words of police. we saw a pretty brazen example of that tonight. here's the sequence of events as we understand them right now. at about 10:20 last night, there's a robbery at a 7-eleven in cambridge. after that, an m.i.t. police officer was shot and killed in his head. at that point, the two suspects who are the suspects in the boston marathon bombing, engage in a carjacking and seize a black mercedes suv. the victim in that case, the
does law enforcement approach this scenario? what do you think the next few hours will look like? >> i think it will be a deliberative and careful process. as you say, they are closing in on the suspect and that is tightening. one of the concerns is does this individual have explosives attached to his body, has he taken someone hostage. is that wired explosively and we've seen that in other plots as the net tightened that the individuals decided to use explosives. >> we have boston p.d. on this, there's fbi, there's atf and massachusetts guardsmen. who is in the lead here? >> the lead will be the joint terrorism task force which is led by the fbi. so in a sense, they're organizing all of the constituent agencies and giving direction. i wonder, someone mentioned the events in the last three hour, this all was an attempted robbery. an m.i.t. rob shot and killed, grenades thrown from a vehicle. report of the dead suspect having an ied on his person. characterize, scale from one to ten, level of danger as they get closer to this remaining suspect? >> i would say it's about a level eight. b
trying to escape law enforcement. here's how it played out. around 10:00 p.m. last night, the suspects robbed a store. they then proceeded to fatally shoot an m.i.t. security officer and hijack a mercedes suv. the owner of that vehicle was held hostage for half an hour while the two brothers pulled $800 out of an atm. they released the owner of the mercedes unharmed. police chased the suspects into watertown, where this shootout took place. the suspects exchanged fire with police and threw explosives towards them. at one point, tamerlan sarn ev got out of the car wearing an ied strapped to his chest and was shot by police. his body was run over by dzhokah tsarnaev as he fled the scene. at present the manhunt continues. the police are looking for a younger brother and a possible accomplice. let's bring in nbc justice correspondent, pete williams. this is a quickly developing situation. how many people are the police looking for right now? >> i think they're not sure. i think we can say probably three. dzhokah tsarnaev, the person who is the man with the white hat and the marathon bombin
that law enforcement is still pursuing, the fbi and the atf, the state police and local police as well. there are a lot of questions that all of us have and that law enforcement have yet to answer for us including questions direct directly to the suspect, but there isn't any basis for concern about another imminent threat. >> let me ask you some particulars about the surviving suspect, dzhokhar tsarnaev, who is now in the hospital. appare apparently he has a wound to the throat. did he try to commit suicide? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> do you know when doctors are saying he might actually be able to communicate? is there a real question about whether he'll be able to speak? >> i don't know those answers, david. i do know that he is in serious condition, but he's stable. and there are investigators prepared to interview him when he's able to be interviewed. >> the question about him coming onto the radar of the fbi two years ago, he was interviewed, he was tracked at the request of the russians, according to federal officials. that's questions now, for you and authorities in
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